Talk:AAGL

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It has been proposed in this section that AAGL be renamed and moved to American Association of Gynecologic Laparoscopists. A bot will list this discussion on the requested moves current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil. Please use {{subst:requested move}}. Do not use {{requested move/dated}} directly. Links: current log • target log • direct move

AAGL → American Association of Gynecologic Laparoscopists – From the website "In 1971, Dr. Jordan M. Phillips and ten charter members founded the American Association of Gynecologic Laparoscopists. ... Today we are known universally by our acronym, “AAGL,” and we’ve evolved to epitomize our motto of “Elevating Gynecologic Surgery.”" Meaning that AAGL is an acronym, not the actual name of the association. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:44, 19 February 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 10:10, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. Abbreviations are generally best avoided unless they are extremely well-known. This hardly is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Support Daphne Morrow (talk) 12:38, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Abbreviations#Acronyms_in_page_titles, should only use abbreviation as title "if the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject". I don't think this organization is well known either in terms of full name or abbreviation. According to google ngrams, the abbreviation is twice as common as the full name.[1] Not sure if ngrams is picking up other abbreviations and things here however. Moribundum (talk) 12:50, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  That's hardly dominance of the abbreviation, unlike say IEEE ([2]) where we STILL use the full name. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:39, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't care what the outcome is, but I have confirmed on GuideStar and the State of California's business name site that the organization's legal name is "American Association of Gynecologic Laparoscopists, Inc." Whether the legal name of a corporation is more important for an article title than common initialisms is not something that interests me. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:14, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  This sounds similar to including things like "ltd" "plc" and so on after the names of companies. Not sure if there is any policy but I think normally those terms are not included in article titles? Moribundum (talk) 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• support per nom--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:19, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]